Dear Tom and Ray:
I've heard you refer to "bulletins" ("maybe there's a bulletin on it") in addressing repair problems. My question is this: If there is, in fact, a bulletin out on a repair, does that mean the dealership cannot (or ought not) charge full price for the repair? My Saturn wagon just had a transmission pressure-control solenoid replaced, to the tune of $800. As I was writing out the check, I noticed a bulletin that the technician had clipped to the bill, and I asked the serviceman if I could see it. He was hesitant, especially when I asked him for a copy of it. Is the bulletin just an aid for the technician to follow, or is it a correction of a defect, and therefore something that should be covered under warranty?
-- Bill
Ray: Good question, Bill. The bulletins we refer to are Technical Service Bulletins, also known as TSBs. They really just contain advice from the company to the mechanics who fix their cars.
Tom: For instance, a number of owners of older Honda CR-Vs started complaining about a strange howling noise underneath their cars when they made sharp turns. Someone, somewhere on the planet, figured out that the problem was caused by worn-out fluid in the center differential.
Ray: When Honda was convinced that it understood the problem and had a solution (it involved draining and replacing the differential fluid), it issued a TSB, which is the best way to make sure all Honda service people know about it.
Tom: Honda sends the TSBs directly to its dealerships. And other companies -- namely, Mitchell and AllData -- supply the TSBs to subscribing independent shops.
Ray: That way, when Joe Blowski brings his groaning CR-V into his dealer in East Armpit, the guy doesn't have to scratch his head, hide in the bathroom for a couple of hours and then start from square one.
Tom: Right. And instead of spending hours diagnosing (or misdiagnosing) the problem, he can start by checking for TSBs on howling noises, and bingo! He finds what he's looking for, and saves the customer time and money.
Ray: Whether customer Joe Blowski has to pay for the repair is a separate issue. That's determined by how old the car is, whether it's still under warranty and whether the dealer or manufacturer decides to earn good will by absorbing the cost (in other words, in most cases, dream on!).
Tom: You make a reasonable argument that the fact that a problem is known and widespread enough for a TSB indicates that it resulted from a design or manufacturing defect. But manufacturers are not obligated to fix such defects for free unless they affect the safety of the vehicle, as determined by NHTSA (the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration). When that happens, it's called a "recall." Recall repairs are done for free.
Ray: But a TSB just indicates that there's a known mechanical problem with a known solution. It's there to facilitate repairs. It's not a coupon for a free repair.
(Car Talk is a nationally syndicated column by automotive experts (and brothers) Tom and Ray Magliozzi. Write to them at the Car Talk Web site.)


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By Yael on April 1, 2010 5:03 PM
Hi, I have a question... I have a hyundai tiburon 2005, I started to lose rpms as I was driving on the highway, to make a long story short, it was towed to the dealership as I don't have a mechanic where I live. The dealership was convinced that the problem was the tps, because its what the sensor/computer told them it was a problem. I just paid $400.00 to repair a tps and the radiator/coolant hose for my car. I drove out of the dealership and as I started to push more on the gas noticed that the problem wasn't fixed. I go back and they are like it was fine when we test drove it. I was like no its not fine, because you guys didn't fix the problem. They had one of their mechanics come with me as I showed them how the car was driving. The guy that came with me even suggested that the fuel injectors are probably getting stuck and are not allowing things to run smoothly. I don't have money to be paying them another $200 for them to fix the problem that was suppossed to be fixed in the first place not everythng else that they are suggesting is the problem. How should I handle this. Please advise.
Yael